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Suggestions - Xenol1997 - 01-02-2014
Build 1 is perhaps the most confused server I've ever been on. It markets itself as a 'survival build server' which is the source of lots of the problems. The build aspect is severely diminished to the point where the the server becomes almost pointless; If i wanted survival i would go on the survival server (something I've already been doing for years) so whats the point of build? The build server needs to be revolutionised, and this is how I would do it:
CREATIVE MODE
I have been asking for a good answer to why there isn't creative for the last 1 and a half years, and there hasn't been a single good answer;
"people would grief" - well include regioning or have a whitelist
"people would make ugly stuff" - its a build server, the whole point is building, if people make ugly things, thats their problem (unless they make it too near someone else's things)
"but why do you need creative? You can get the blocks from spawn and you have the /mc command" - /mc is a buggy rubbish command that hardly works, the spawn shop only sells somethings (no diamonds/gold/emerald) and IF THEY HAD ACTUALLY FINISHED BUILDING IT.
"donate!" - This one really makes me annoyed. You expect me to spend me own money on this server, a server that is just neglected by its staff? If I was that desperate to build I would simply do it in single player.
Please take note of what I've said. build is an absolute mess, but I still have hope for it yet.
Xenol
RE: Suggestions - bmanrules - 01-02-2014
(01-02-2014, 09:58 AM)Xenol1997 Wrote: Build 1 is perhaps the most confused server I've ever been on. It markets itself as a 'survival build server' which is the source of lots of the problems. The build aspect is severely diminished to the point where the the server becomes almost pointless; If i wanted survival i would go on the survival server (something I've already been doing for years) so whats the point of build? The build server needs to be revolutionised, and this is how I would do it:
How is the build aspect diminished? It's survival as in, not creative, and there are free blocks at spawn to allow you to build to your hearts content. It's full of large (and impressive) builds and anyone can build at any time. Legit is for people who want an (almost, it has bukkit) vanilla experience so they can survive, fight mobs etc. Build provides people with resources to build, while on Legit everyone has to gather those resources themselves.
Quote:CREATIVE MODE
I have been asking for a good answer to why there isn't creative for the last 1 and a half years, and there hasn't been a single good answer;
"people would grief" - well include regioning or have a whitelist
We have regions, and a whitelist would just make us lose players. A server where everyone has creative is too risky, especially since new players could abuse it. We can't region everything at the same time, so often a new build won't have a region until the owner asks for one. Having everyone in creative means having new players (many of whom will grief) with access to lava, tnt, water and obisidian, creating a nightmare for us.
Quote:"people would make ugly stuff" - its a build server, the whole point is building, if people make ugly things, thats their problem (unless they make it too near someone else's things)
I've never heard anyone say this, but people could end up building stuff out of ore blocks which look ugly. Ore blocks are disabled at spawn for this reason.
Quote:"but why do you need creative? You can get the blocks from spawn and you have the /mc command" - /mc is a buggy rubbish command that hardly works, the spawn shop only sells somethings (no diamonds/gold/emerald) and IF THEY HAD ACTUALLY FINISHED BUILDING IT.
Read above for why this is. We don't allow flymods as it can cause lag when new chunks are generated from people flying, which is why we use MC. I know it's not a great plugin, but it's really only meant for building, not flying around at high speeds. The current spawn did turn out quite badly due to the sheer amount of item frames, and minecarts seem to knock them off the wall, which doesn't help. It's not missing too many signs though, and if you tell us what's missing, we can add them (When it was being made I think we missed some signs, seeing as there are over 300 items in Minecraft.
Quote:"donate!" - This one really makes me annoyed. You expect me to spend me own money on this server, a server that is just neglected by its staff? If I was that desperate to build I would simply do it in single player.
Servers aren't free, and we need some kind of donate perk to entice people to donate. It's not neglected at all, just empty recently (A lot of Minecraft players are moving to servers like Mini-games, and some to other games). We are advertising and trying to increase player counts. If you want to build in singleplayer, go do it.
Quote:Please take note of what I've said. build is an absolute mess, but I still have hope for it yet.
Xenol
This sounds like a plea for free creative
I do agree Build could do with more players and maybe some better plugins (like voting (see Dman's comment on B1 bugs)and some fun plugins) to increase player count, but it isn't an absolute mess.
RE: Suggestions - Odin Online - 01-02-2014
I sort of like the Build-survival hybrid. Maybe its because it reminds me of pre 1.8 Minecraft or maybe its because Creative is sort of like cheating.
RE: Suggestions - Xenol1997 - 01-02-2014
1) the build aspect is diminished because the nessacery tools to make builds that wouldn't normally be possible in survival are either not present (world edit, instabreak) or are just impossible to use with any accuracy (/mc) I have actually built better stuff on the survival server than on build, because if Im going to build in a survival style I may as well have the aspect of gathering resources, to give the completion of a build more enjoyment. On build it's just the endless cycle of going back and forth to spawn to get resources, which just isn't fun, not to mention the fact I probably haven't even finished a build because the enjoyment and the sense of accomplishment after the build is done is practically non-existent.
2) Whitelist would lose players? The servers a wasteland anyway, with less than 10 people on there even at peak times, and most of them are trustable people anyway who would easily make the whitelist. Players already have access to obsidian, so that point is invalid, and just ban water/lava/tnt then, ether are plugins for that.
3)okay, i understand banning ore blocks, but things like blocks of gold? they, in the right hands look great, but your blanket ban just ruins it for everyone.
4)I understand that theres been problems with spawn, but its been in this state for months. Its no use asking mods/ops to put signs back up because as you say, they just come off again, you would have thought the problem would have been sorted out by now.
5)I also understand the need to get people to donate, why not use mc edit as a perk? but there are those of us who aren't in a financial state to be throwing money at things like this. The only reason for me going on the server os because I have friends there, and its nice being part of a server.
6) of course its a plea for creative, thats the whole point of the post. :P The server has been languishing in this state for ages, and I just decided that Im sick of there not being any improvement.
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(01-02-2014, 10:28 AM)Odin Online Wrote: I sort of like the Build-survival hybrid. Maybe its because it reminds me of pre 1.8 Minecraft or maybe its because Creative is sort of like cheating.You have creative and world edit...
RE: Suggestions - Constructer97 - 01-02-2014
Xenol1997, consider yourself lucky. B1 is an amazing server in comparison to others. Before i met the amazing mR community i went on a server that forced me to pay $20 for a 200x200 plot of land. They gave you no blocks and you had to do it all yourself. That in my opinion is utterly ridiculous. B1 on the other hand, gives you freedom to build wherever and whenever you want with no restrictions. There are also many reasons why regulars don't get creative.
1) The mob eggs that are provided would be used for spam and crashing the server. Example, ghasts withers all the sort that you get and can make. Just think what griefers could do with some soul sand and withers heads without any effort at all.
2) Without the donation how is mIKe and the other admin staff able to keep the server running. It's all paid for by them for your own enjoyment so don't be so uptight and selfish. You arent forced to donate and it's easily playable without creative.
3) You DONT need creative either, because you have the magic carpet (understandably buggy at time but that can be fixed)
Also spawn is currently being worked on, I am mostly doing it on my own. I do have a life outside of minecraft and i do not want to dedicate every second of my busy day trying to rush it. I'm doing it so that there are no item frames because each one of them count as an entity and that's why spawn atm is so laggy. Certain blocks are restricted because of the danger they pose to the server. Soul sand and wither heads for example. Diamond blocks and gold blocks can make a build look semi decent but generally from what i've seen is 1x1 towers outside spawn putting people off the server. We can't make everyone happy but we are trying our best. We aren't getting paid for the work we do and we are doing our best to advertise. Whilst you are not happy most people are, and i know a lot of people don't like a busy server.
If you think it's that bad WHY are you still playing on it?
RE: Suggestions - bmanrules - 01-02-2014
(01-02-2014, 10:38 AM)Xenol1997 Wrote: 1) the build aspect is diminished because the nessacery tools to make builds that wouldn't normally be possible in survival are either not present (world edit, instabreak) or are just impossible to use with any accuracy (/mc) I have actually built better stuff on the survival server than on build, because if Im going to build in a survival style I may as well have the aspect of gathering resources, to give the completion of a build more enjoyment. On build it's just the endless cycle of going back and forth to spawn to get resources, which just isn't fun, not to mention the fact I probably haven't even finished a build because the enjoyment and the sense of accomplishment after the build is done is practically non-existent.
WorldEdit will end in half the map being destroyed. You can easily ask an op/mR member for assistance.
Quote:2) Whitelist would lose players? The servers a wasteland anyway, with less than 10 people on there even at peak times, and most of them are trustable people anyway who would easily make the whitelist. Players already have access to obsidian, so that point is invalid, and just ban water/lava/tnt then, ether are plugins for that.
We don't want to completely ban water, lava and tnt as it's used in builds. We just don't want every new member on the server to have an infinite supply of it. Donators are trusted with creative and if they abuse it, it's removed from them. We can't check every player on the server for creative abuse. With the server being empty, we're trying to get new players, but having a whitelist won't help us.
Quote:3)okay, i understand banning ore blocks, but things like blocks of gold? they, in the right hands look great, but your blanket ban just ruins it for everyone.
Blocks of gold are ore blocks. They look ugly in large amounts so we removed them. You can easily go mining for gold. We had signs up asking not to have full builds made of ores, but they were ignored.
Quote:4)I understand that theres been problems with spawn, but its been in this state for months. Its no use asking mods/ops to put signs back up because as you say, they just come off again, you would have thought the problem would have been sorted out by now.
They've only ever come off once, which was when we had the CarZ plugin. Ops don't usually go to spawn for resources, so just ask one for a sign and it will be replaced.
Quote:5)I also understand the need to get people to donate, why not use mc edit as a perk? but there are those of us who aren't in a financial state to be throwing money at things like this. The only reason for me going on the server os because I have friends there, and its nice being part of a server.
MC-Edit is a world editing program, it can't be used on running servers. If it could, the world would be destroyed pretty soon.
Quote:6) of course its a plea for creative, thats the whole point of the post. :P The server has been languishing in this state for ages, and I just decided that Im sick of there not being any improvement.
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(01-02-2014, 10:28 AM)Odin Online Wrote: I sort of like the Build-survival hybrid. Maybe its because it reminds me of pre 1.8 Minecraft or maybe its because Creative is sort of like cheating.You have creative and world edit...
I thought the whole point of the post was suggestions, not free creative. Do you have examples of plugins you might want that could improve player counts? how else we could raise money for donations? You seem to be pointing out flaws but not how to fix them. Sure, the server could do with some improvement plugin wise but some of these suggestions will just harm the server more.
RE: Suggestions - Constructer97 - 01-02-2014
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RE: Suggestions - Starkiller666 - 01-02-2014
(01-02-2014, 09:58 AM)Xenol1997 Wrote: Build 1 is perhaps the most confused server I've ever been on. It markets itself as a 'survival build server' which is the source of lots of the problems. The build aspect is severely diminished to the point where the the server becomes almost pointless; If i wanted survival i would go on the survival server (something I've already been doing for years) so whats the point of build? The build server needs to be revolutionised, and this is how I would do it:
CREATIVE MODE
I have been asking for a good answer to why there isn't creative for the last 1 and a half years, and there hasn't been a single good answer;
"people would grief" - well include regioning or have a whitelist
"people would make ugly stuff" - its a build server, the whole point is building, if people make ugly things, thats their problem (unless they make it too near someone else's things)
"but why do you need creative? You can get the blocks from spawn and you have the /mc command" - /mc is a buggy rubbish command that hardly works, the spawn shop only sells somethings (no diamonds/gold/emerald) and IF THEY HAD ACTUALLY FINISHED BUILDING IT.
"donate!" - This one really makes me annoyed. You expect me to spend me own money on this server, a server that is just neglected by its staff? If I was that desperate to build I would simply do it in single player.
Please take note of what I've said. build is an absolute mess, but I still have hope for it yet.
Xenol
1. choose your words carefully, i feel seething rage from that "neglected by its own staff" comment
2. we cannot customize a server for one person's problem's with it, you seem to be the only one with the problem with B1.
okay those two points I've gotten off of my chest, now lets get back to your thread, that seems to only be focused on one point, that point being, creative mode, now I've seen impressive builds by people without creative, if they can do those without it, so can you, take the initiative.
oh and one last point summing up my little rant, just in case you missed the point of this, B1 isn't in shambles, and certainly not by the one point you've addressed here.
thank you and goodnight.
RE: Suggestions - Xenol1997 - 01-02-2014
Constructor, read the post, literally every comment you made I covered in some way shape or form.
Bman, I also suggest you read the post, the suggestion I'm making is that everyone has creative, explained by the massive set of comments, Im suggesting changes to the whole idea behind the server.
Starkiller, well maybe I wouldn't feel this way if it wasn't neglected. Of course nobody else has complained, they leave as soon as they've seen the state its in. Ive built aircraft carriers, natural history museums containing every natural block and highway systems in legit mode, but what the hell is the point of having a whole separate server for doing this, when I can do it on survival!
RE: Suggestions - craigpd - 01-02-2014
Quote:"people would make ugly stuff" - its a build server, the whole point is building, if people make ugly things, thats their problem (unless they make it too near someone else's things)Not sure how this would prevent us giving people creative. People build for fun, if they make something that looks 'ugly', then fine, as long as they had fun doing it.
Quote:"but why do you need creative? You can get the blocks from spawn and you have the /mc command" - /mc is a buggy rubbish command that hardly works, the spawn shop only sells somethings (no diamonds/gold/emerald) and IF THEY HAD ACTUALLY FINISHED BUILDING IT.Emerald, diamond and gold were abused to all hell and people would grief each other just to get some because they're too lazy to go to spawn and get a few stacks. They caused too many issues and were just targets for grief in general. That and them being rare to find anyway sort of adds some sense of achievement while playing.
On the matter of spawn not being finished. One of our mega-builders (Diggitydan) joined the army and has been unable to play because of this. Those who did try and get a spawn together are busy with school/college/work. So we do what we can when we can.
Quote:"donate!" - This one really makes me annoyed. You expect me to spend me own money on this server, a server that is just neglected by its staff? If I was that desperate to build I would simply do it in single player.Would you rather we make people donate for admin powers?..Or even charge people $30 a month for creative powers?. Here $20 gets you a near unlimited time in creative (About 9 months if I remember right, unless something changed)
As for being neglected, again, school/work/college. It's hard to be on when you things you need to do.